William and Rose Morgan
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Monroe Township residents William and Rose Morgan lived modestly while working stable jobs throughout their adulthood. They’re struggling to make ends meet in retirement, in large part due to skyrocketing health-care costs.
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Prescription Medicine — New Jersey has a prescription assistance program that Rose and William could benefit from depending on their income..
Context Link: https://newjersey.prescriptionassistance.info/
Health Care — New Jersey has taken serious steps to protect the gains made under the Affordable Care Act and keep health insurance costs low. This helps ensure that more residents have health coverage so that they are covered for serious health issues, such as the dental and prescription needs described.
Transcript: “I probably need some medical attention myself, at eighty-two, I probably do, but with him, I can’t.”
Context Link 1: https://www.njpp.org/healthcare/new-jerseys-individual-market-premiums-to-be-among-the-lowest-in-the-nation
Food Insecurity — New Jersey recently increased the level of "Heat and Eat Assistance", a program that helps provide families with energy and nutrition assistance. Depending on their income, Rose and William may qualify for this benefit.
Transcript: "KV: And that’s where the food pantry helps you guys out, right. RM: Yes."
Context Link 2: http://www.antipovertynetwork.org/Resources/Documents/What%20is%20the%20Farm%20Bill%20Change%20QA%20FINAL-%20really-2.pdf
Transportation — Transportation is critical to New Jersey's residents and its economy. The state's public transit infrastructure was ignored and improperly supported for years. Recently, greater investments are being made to improve quality and reliability.
Context Link 1: https://www.nj.gov/governor/news/news/562019/approved/20190627b.shtml
Context Link 2: https://www.njpp.org/blog/more-riders-less-investment-a-blueprint-for-failure-on-public-transit-in-new-jersey
Minimum Wage — Millions of New Jerseyans have been unable to properly afford their expenses and obligations due to deflated and low pay. Recently, in early 2019, the state signed into law legislation that will increase the minimum wage for most workers by 2024 and all workers (except for tipped workers) by 2029. This will help over a million workers by boosting their pay and have an indirect benefit on hundreds of thousands more further up the income scale as businesses reform their compensation policies and the economy grows due to more residents finally having the ability to fully participate and afford critical purchases.
Context Link 1: https://www.njpp.org/reports/a-15-minimum-wage-would-help-over-1-million-workers-and-boost-new-jerseys-economy
Context Link 2: https://www.njpp.org/blog/explainer-new-jerseys-15-minimum-wage-proposal
Prescription Medicine — Comprehensive legislation has been introduced by Senator Troy Singleton that would not only require that the state monitor and make drug proscription drug prices more transparent, it would place caps on the cost of prescription drugs that increased at unacceptable rates.
Context Link 1: https://www.njleg.state.nj.us/2018/Bills/S3000/2630_I1.HTM
Context Link 2: http://www.ncsl.org/research/health/state-pharmaceutical-assistance-programs.aspx
Economic Security — Emerging research is cementing the fact that good paying jobs improve health outcomes for people. Conversely, poor paying jobs exacerbate health outcomes. As such, when people are unable to provide for themselves and their families - when they are not paid enough to survive - it can have negative impacts on their personal health. High levels of economic security therefore damage overall public health.
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Transcriber Note: Rose spoke for most of the interview, it is indicated when William is speaking with a W.
…into the mic.
…just gonna grab a chair - is there one in the kitchen?
Yeah. They’re heavy so be careful. I had to take everything out of the oven so that I could put the chicken in [laughs].
Cool, I just wanted to make sure it was recording, because that would be horrible if we had like this whole hour and a half conversation without recording it. Okay, so um, we can just start with the basics, just your names and where we are right now.
00:49:00
Okay. My name is Rose Marie Morgan. His is William, eh, William Francis Morgan — I keep thinking Dennis, that’s my son’s name— and we’re at 23 Harrigan Avenue, Monroe Township, New Jersey.
Awesome. And just for the like, sake of the editing, podcast stuff, I would need you to say your name.
Say your name. Bill!
W: What?
He can’t hear you. He has--
W: What, what?
Can you say your name?
W: Heh?
Your name!
W: My name William Morgan.
That’s alright, you’re supposed to say it. Answer whatever, whatever questions she asks, you answer.
W: Alright, William Morgan. No problem.
How long have you lived in Monroe for?
00:01:40
Fifty-five years.
W: About that, yeah.
What are you— you guys are both retired?
At 82, I think so.
W: Yeah yeah..
And he’s 86.
Wow. What were you both doing for your jobs before you retired?
Uh, he worked for the school system and I uh, worked for the supermarket. Edward’s Supermarket.
That was here in Monroe also?
Yeah, it was in Concordia.
Oh, okay. Um, how did you two meet each other?
It was a blind date.
How did that go?
00:02:16
Good, good. Sixty years married, so I guess it went good [laughs].
Oh that’s wonderful, sixty years, you don’t really see that as much anymore. Um, and um, I guess tell me a little bit about what your day to day is like.
Well it’s, very, dull, uh. I clean house. And he does puckering around the house. And that’s all we do. We go grocery shopping or going out walking if we can, if it’s a good day. But not much.
Um, you had mentioned that you had problems with medical expenses, can you talk a little bit about that?
00:03:00
Okay, his medication.. I got last week, I got twenty tablets— or two weeks ago. I got twenty tablets, cost me three hundred dollars then, and they ran out today. And um, I had to go get them yesterday, a refill. It was for three medications, four hundred and thirty-nine dollars. [Annotation #1]
I’m sorry, I just recognized that the clock is ticking. Can I move it?
Yep. Take the whole house apart.
It’s hard when you’re just so used to filtering things out.
Yeah, yeah. Well it’s good that you can. ‘Cause I can’t hear it.
W: [unclear]
Um, can we just revisit that again?
00:04:03
Okay. Two weeks ago when he came out of the rehab, I had to get medication for him. It was three hundred--over three hundred dollars, it was three hundred and sixty nine dollars. It ran out yester— yesterday it ran out. So I went and got more medicine to- yesterday, at Walmarts, and it was three hundred and thirty-nine dollars.
What was—
I mean not three hundred! Four hundred and thirty-nine dollars. It’s medicine for the heart.
Can you tell me a little bit about, can either one of you tell me a little bit about medical conditions?
Well, he has a bad heart. And he has um, CCC, uh, leukemia, which is a blood disease. That’s about it.
And you’re under Medicare, right?
00:04:58
Medicare. Our age. We got Medicare and AARP also. AARP takes care of the medicine. Some of it. Didn’t take four hundred dollars yesterday. I was shocked.
And then there were two surgeries, right?
Yes, two surgeries. So far, I haven’t received— I got— they say there’s a possibility I have to pay thirteen hundred dollars, but they didn’t bill me yet. They said it was a possibility. AARP sent me a thing saying it was a possibility, for one thousand three hundred dollars, that hadn’t been paid.
Can you expand on that? How is that just a possibility, without… ?
Because it says this is not a bill. So— but they sent it to me, saying that it was not paid. When you have Medicare, that’s what they do, they send you— uh, if it’s not paid, they sent you a possibility bill so that you know, and say keep this for your record.
W: [Clears throat].
And how— what would happen if you had to pay the one thousand three hundred?
It would be a hardship. Because oh— I barely can get food and I pay mortgage on the house. I might be living here a long time, but my daughter was losing her house, so I re-mortgaged this house to help her with her house. And um, so I’m paying the mortgage.
What happened to your daughters house?
00:06:30
She lost it.
How?
Through a divorce.
And how much would you— are you paying for the mortgage?
Fourteen— one thousand four hundred.
And you talked about uh, difficulties with food?
Yeah, I-I-I can’t buy just anything I want, I have to look for the price, for whatever’s on sale, or whatever— but now, he’s going to have to have special food, cause he needs to gain weight. Cause he’s way underweight. As you can tell.
00:07:06
And uh, they maintain he’s lost muscle, they don’t want him to go into some kind of a muscle spasm. So I-I’m feeding him about six times a day. Like he had the breakfast, and at nine thirty, he had peanut butter and coffee, and now he’s having the macaroni and cheese, and later he’ll have chicken and corn on the cob, that’s what I planned for lunch.
And there was also hip surgery, right?
He had hip surgery. He’s having no problems with that. As you can see, he can walk and he has no pain.
That’s good. Um, I guess, is there anywhere you can expand on some of difficulties you guys are going through financially? Or ev—
Well, financially, to pay my bills. You know, the gas, the electric. I even went as far as putting, um, solar on my roof, so my electric bill would go down. But I wasn’t told that I had to pay for the solar plus the electric.
00:08:16
For twenty years. So that was a lie, they kept saying it was free, it was free. What was free was putting them on the roof. Not the solar. So, I pay that, I pay forty-seven dollars a month to the solar company for that, to rent those solar panels that are on the roof, and then I pay uh, the electric bill too. And then I gotta pay my gas, which is uh, eighty-nine dollars a month. The gas bill. Cause I have a gas hot water heater, and a gas furnace.
And what’s—
And it’s all year round, it’s eighty-nine dollars. Cause I’m on the payment plan.
00:09:07
And um, I’m kind of wondering um, if the current political climate has affected your life in anyway?
What do you mean?
Um, with all the things going on with in healthcare— there’s a lot of things going on in healthcare recently, in the news.
You know, I’m very ignorant of it. I’m not very fond of doctors, so I only go when I absolutely have to, so. I probably need some medical attention myself, at eighty-two, I probably do, but with him, I can’t. I can’t put any more expense on my, than what I’m having. It’s a shame when you get to be this age, and you have to worry about everything— every penny that you put out. And I do. [Annotation #2]
00:09:59
The only thing I gotta say is that, I had managed, I don’t know what’s in the future with these medical bills, that I’m looking to pay, from his surgery. Cause he was four weeks in rehab, and three weeks in the hospital. So I don't know how much they're going to pay. So far, so good.
How long ago was this?
He’s home two weeks today.
So this is really recent.
Yes. The fall happened in July. The seventh of July. So it was very recent. And then I have a bad leg. So I had to go to an orthopedic surgeon. And they told me there was nothing they could do for me, because I tore all the ligaments in the back of the leg, and there’s nothing they can do for that, except to have it heal, on its own.
00:10:56
So, so far, it’s better but not perfect. I have pain, constant, constant pain that I have to live with, have to learn to live with it.
How did the fall happen?
Which fall, mine?
Oh, you had a fall also?
That’s how I tore my ligament. His fall— we went to Costcos to— to buy groceries, and to put clothing in the clothing drive that I no longer could— needed. Cause we, if I’m not going to use it, I give it away. And he turned fast, when he— after he put the stuff in the bin, and he fell. Lost his balance and fell.
W: And that was it.
And that’s how—
And that’s how, when they did the workup, to fix the hip, that’s how they found that he needed quadruple bypass, he had to have four bypass.
And how did you fall?
00:11:56
How did I fall? I fell up the steps out here. That’s how I fell. I think— I think that my knees gave out because for thirty some odd years I worked in the supermarket, and standing on your legs all that time made your knees weak, so my knees were weak and I went up, they just gave out. From under me, and… tore.
I guess I wanted to talk about— or kind of want to paint a picture for people who would be listening to this that don’t really understand the difficulties of this situation. Is there anywhere you can expand on like, any of the hardships that you’re going through, currently?
Right now, the hardships is to, paying for his medical bills, that I know I’m gonna be seeing. Cause for the knee alone, I had to pay one hundred and thirty nine dollars, to the orthopedist.
00:13:01
Just to give me a shot. A cortisone shot. Hundred and thirty-nine dollars. At the end of the month, I may have fifty dollars in the bank account. From paying out all the bills. That’s it. I never have over a hundred. Never. I never can save anything either. So. It’s— I never complain ‘cause I figure God has been good to me so far, you know, took care of us. And that’s how I look at it.
Um, I think that there are people in the world that don’t understand like, what it’d be like to not be able to save or to have any emergency fund. Can you explain a little bit about what that’s like?
It’s scary. Very very scary. You pray everyday that you won’t get ill. That you need to put out money that you don’t have. I can’t even put gas in my car. My son puts gas in my car.
00:14:08
My son— if my car is without gas, he pays for it. If we go out to eat, he pays for it, he’s single, so— and he’s a postman, and he works all kinds of overtime, because he’s been there since he graduated high school, and he’s fifty-seven years old now. He could retire if he wanted to, but he’s not of the age, he’s only fifty-seven. And uh, he pays for, uh, anything that I— any kind of pleasure that I have. Like we went out yesterday, and I wanted to help pay for, it was the whole family with my daughter, my granddaughter, my grandson, and him, and the two of us. He said no, you’ve gotta enough bills, I’ll pay it. So he paid seventy-one dollars for us to have a snack. Just a snack! In Perkins.
And how did that make you feel?
00:15:09
It makes me feel good, that I brought up a kid who has compassion for his parents. A lot of compassion, he does. He mows the grass for us. Anything that needs to be done. Like I didn’t know how to put the toilet seat on the, for— for Bill, you know, on the toilet, that he that can use the toilet. So he came over and put it on, took the old seat off, put the new, the other one on. Anything that I need done, he’s right there for us. My daughter can’t because she lives in Toms River, which is an hour and ten minutes away, and she’s a single mom. But so— he’s good to us.
00:15:54
And it makes me feel good, that I brought up a son who has compassion for— anyone who meets him says that he has manners. That he’s such a— a nice person to be around.
That’s really great.
Yeah.
That’s good that you have a support system, you know both emotionally and sometimes financially.
Yeah. Emotionally is the best, that you have someone that’ll stand by you. Really means a lot more than money. I think. He can’t— he has his own home and his finances to pay. He doesn’t you know, he doesn’t live with someone or, to help him, he has his own bills, yet he thinks of mine. Ours. Which is good. Anything else? [laughs].
I’m trying to think of things to kind of expand on, and get kind of, more into like, the gritty details of things. Is there anything that like I’m missing?
My grocery bill is approximately a hundred and, a hundred and uh, fifty dollars a month. And that’s with bare necessities. Not with any luxuries. Like I don’t eat steak, and I don’t eat anything like that, we have chicken and fish.
00:17:25
We eat a lot of that. ‘Cause it’s cheaper. And the only thing I do go for is vegetables. He has to have a lot of vegetables. Fresh vegetables.
Has it been hard to buy fresh like produce and things?
Yeah. Yeah, it’s hard to get, too. So. Takes a lot. Takes a lot out of me to figure out meals, because of everything that he has to have. You know I could put a meal together, like this little bit now, is macaroni and cheese, that’s easy to put together. But, to put a— you know, a big meal together, it’s hard.
00:18:11
And that’s where the food pantry helps you guys out, right.
Yes. [Annotation #3]
And how long have you guys been going there?
Uh, ab— since about uh, twenty-fifteen. Yeah, about that. Because he— he worked until he was eighty-nine years old. Na— I mean, not— eighty years old, not eighty-nine, eighty. So he worked a long time, so.
W: [Clears throat].
What exactly was he doing at the school district?
He was a custodian.
And he stayed there for eighty years, I mean, not eighty years, until he was eighty.
No, he was a tool and die maker, in his younger days. And they went out of business, that trade has flattened out. And uh, he was traveling to Newark for it, cause that’s where we’re from. And I told him, I said, don’t go there, don’t travel there, again. I mean, you were making good money when you were doing tool and die. But uh, there’s nothing down here that’ll give you the money that you made up there, so you just take a job to help us get by. And uh, my daughter — my daughter. My son had a girlfriend at the time who was father was the head— English department head. And she spoke to him, she got him in the job, in the Old Bridge school system, as the custodian. And he retired from there. Until they went out of business. They took on uh, outside contractors and laid all their help off, that they had. He lost all his medical and half of his pension. Because of that.
Wow.
00:20:03
He was— worked there for twenty two and a half years. And because it wasn’t twenty-five years, he lost. Think of that one.
I can’t even imagine.
That’s terrible. That’s terrible to treat people that put their whole lives, into a comp— to do something like that, and gets shafted. Cause that’s a shaft. Bringing in— now they’re sorry that they brought in outside contractors, cause they get, the school’s supposed to be filthy, where they kept it clean.
What was the name of the company?
Old Bridge School system.
Oh so they were—
They worked with the school system. Now they brought in outside contractors. I don’t know the name of the outside contractors. I had no interest in knowing it, you know. So I don’t know it.
Uh, I love Newark. How long have you guys been in Newark?
00:21:05
I was born in Newark.
W: We were both born in Newark.
Both of us. He was born in the first ward, I was born in the Clinton Hill section.
Um—
I came down here in nineteen sixty-five.
Two years before the race riots, then, up there.
Yeah. My parents—
W: Yeah the riots [unclear] us out.
I loved it too. You go to the corner, you could get a bus, take you anywhere you wanted to go. We used to go to downtown Newark, go shopping, I would bring my son with me. We’d go all over. Here you can’t go, go a block away because you got no transportation to take you anywhere! [Annotation #4]
That was going to be my next point, is transportation hard for you guys?
Yeah. We don’t have a car, we don’t go nowhere. I don’t know how much— if he can get back driving or not, and I don’t drive.
W: [unclear].
I don’t know if you can get back to it.
W: [unclear] There’s nothing wrong with my legs.
00:22:04
This is what I get all the time. All the time, you know. There’s nothing wrong with his legs, there’s nothing wrong with this, there’s nothing wrong with that. Yet, his therapist tells him he’s shaky on his legs.
W: … sit down and and drive a car.
[laughs]
W: [unclear]… automatic..
He drove to for— when we were single, he drove for Mack truck. So he’s an experienced car driver. Truck driver. So when he came down— when we came down— when he got the job with Newark die— somebody, we had a friend who had a— down in the Portuguese— are you Portuguese?
I’m not, no.
No? She— Portuguese section of Newark. Uh, Newark Die was in the Portu— Portuguese section of Newark. And they liked him, so they— and he wanted out of trucking. So they told him they had a job for him in Newark Die. Now he worked twenty-five years for Newark Die, and then that’s when they closed up. They lost eve— all their contracts they lost, because the tool and die trade just flattened out. Now everything’s plastic, so it’s.. you know. So then, when he got laid off from that job, my son’s girlfriend at the time got him a job in Old Bridge, and he worked there for the rest— until he retired. No one was gonna hire an eighty-year old man. Nobody. So I says, retire, kid.
Um, it’s also, well it’s different now, but it was probably cheaper to live in Newark, at the time also, was it?
Yeah, yeah. My rent was a hundred dollars a month. Where are you gonna get any place for a hundred dollars a month? I had two bedrooms, a dining room, a kitchen, and a living room. You can’t get anything— my daughters got uh, no dining room, she’s got a kitchen, a living room, and two small bedrooms, she’s paying a thousand dollars a month, so. It was much cheaper. But the wages were smaller then, too. You know. Not that there’s that much better now. Some places, some people, I don’t know how they live. Ten dollars an hour, how are you gonna live on ten dollars an hour? [Annotation #5] When he left, got laid off from Old Bridge Turnpike, he was making twenty. That’s back in uh, twenty-fifteen. So. It’s hard. And with everything, because he wasn’t twenty-five years, he got cut back, it’s rough. They have so many years you have to work. And if you don’t make that, that many— I mean twenty-two and a half years. Twenty-two and two thirds, actually, that’s what they said it was. Two thirds. So two years and a third, he would have had everything. His hospitalization would have been paid for. I gotta pay four hundred and seven dollars to AARP for hospitalization, you know, to Medicare. Then they take out, out of my Medicare, whatever it is. I-I don’t know how much it is, ou-ou-out of my Medicare, but AARP takes four hundred and some odd dollars, just for your medication. For, to buy medication, at a discount. Like, it cost me four hundred and thirty some— if I didn’t have it, it’ve been over a thousand. That’s what they told me, cause I complained to the pharmacist (laughs) …how the heck. How can anybody— but it’s all heart medicine. [Annotation #6]
00:26:15
So it’s more expensive than any other medicine. He’s got other medicine that he has to take too, but it’s over the counter, so it’s cheaper. Like he has to take stool softener, he has to take aspirin, he has to take two medicines for his prostate, cause he has an enlarged prostate. So, it all adds up.
Are there any expenses that you have to pay for, for yourself?
Yes. I-I have to pay for— I have high blood pressure, and I have to pay for that. Yep. That’s so far. Like I said, I haven’t been to the— he tells me I have a thyroid problem, so, whatever’s gonna happen with the thyroid, I haven’t gone back to find out. They called me up and told me that I had a thyroid problem. My mother had a thyroid problem, she lived until she was eighty-five years old. Cancer took her, not a thyroid [laughs].
Uh, why, why aren’t you going back to the doctor?
I just don’t want— I just don’t want to hear it. First of all, I’m a twin. I had a twin sister. Who died. A year ago, September. And uh, we were identical twins, and I asked for the nurse practitioner for a little bit of help to get me over the grieving process. She told me if it was a year, it should be over with. You don’t tell somebody that. So it made me angry, and I don’t want to go back because I’m angry. I don’t want to hear her tell me something else that’s gonna make me angry.
00:28:11
I’d change doctors in a minute but I’d have to go through all the tests I went through already, I couldn’t do that. So I’m sticking with her, even though I’m angry. You’d be angry too, if someone told you you should stop grieving for your twin. And we were identical twins. You know, I mean, she didn’t live in Jersey anymore. She used to live in Jersey, but she moved to uh, Montana. But we called up each other every single day, since we could call without paying, you know. Everyday, we talked to one another. I didn’t even know she was in hospice, I knew she was in the hospital, I didn’t know she was in hospice. She had breast cancer, it went all through her. Her brain, her bones. That’s the end of that. I’m not gonna go on anymore about that.
You never truly stop grieving.
No. So to tell somebody that they should be over it, it’s… And that noise you’re hearing, that’s the toaster oven going, and the heat’s going out. I had it clicked on, so it’s cooling off, so it’s clicking as it’s cooling down.
Oh, okay. I don’t think it should be that much of a problem.
No, it doesn’t go on that much. So, anything else?
I don’t know, I was going to ask you if there was anything that I’m missing.
I really don’t know. Only that I really could use a little bit of help. Really could use a little bit. I’m not asking for a whole lot, that I’m not, like my telephone bill. And you know, the only pleasures I have in life is the TV, and that’s expensive right there [laughs]. [Annotation #7]
Um, how are you feeling about the future?
Uh, I don’t know what life has in store for me. I-I trust in god, that’s the only thing that I have. He’s by my side, and he’ll get me through anything I have to get through. So. I just want him to get well [whispers]. That’s all I ask. I mean after sixty years of being with the same person all day, day in and day out, you want them to be well. I thank god for the fall, ‘cause I think if he didn’t have that fall, they wouldn’t have found the heart, even though he goes to the heart doctor every six months. They would have never found the blockages that he had.
00:31:07
And I thank god that he came through them, cause they told me he was in deep trouble, they said he was in deep trouble because of his age, to go through that. And he came through it like a champ. Now he just has to get his strength and get some weight on his bones [laughs]. I know, me and you don't-- would never think that we needed weight on our bones, we’d say, ‘hah, we wanna lose some’ but he always was thin. When we got married, he was a hundred and twenty-five pounds. He isn’t much more now. If he’s that much. So, yeah.
[truck sounds]
Um, I think that then, if that’s all that there is…
Yeah, but if you can possibly, give me a little bit of help, I would appreciate it. I would more than appreciate it, I’d be on my knees thanking god. Cause I do believe that he’ll help me. I need medical help, I need to pay the medical bills, that’s the biggest thing right now. Cause I can manage, I can do without, I’m not a person that buys a lot of clothes, I go to the thrift stores and buy my clothes, I haven’t gotten a new thing in about ten years. I go to the thrift stores and buy anything that I need. I don’t need that much.
00:33:00
So. Just get me through the medical stuff, that’s all. That’s all I pray to god for. He had to go to a rehab in the gardens, he was, what was it, three weeks there, or four weeks, can’t… I think it was three weeks, that you were in the garden, right?
W: Eh?
You were three weeks in the garden?
W: Eh.
So. So whatever you could do. Can you let me know? If there’s anything you can do or you can’t do?
What do you mean?
You could call me, and let me know, if I’m gonna receive any help or anything?
Oh, I am unsure of how that would work. Our— what we’re trying to do is publish these stories to heighten awareness, and hopefully, with more awareness, that would bring change to whatever’s going on in the system to help you guys. 34:11
Oh, okay. So it’s not you that’s going to do the helping, it’s other, what do you call, organizations.
Yeah, so I wouldn’t be the one necessarily, necessarily lobbying, but this is a tool, like stories and journalism is a tool, to tie in awareness, and to bring light to these issues, because this stuff isn’t really—
I mean four hundred dollars for three medications. I mean, I can show it to you. Cause I hadn’t opened up the bill yet, cause I didn’t, you know. It’s in the, I’ll show it to you. ‘Scuse me, Bill. Draw ya— draw your toesies in. See. Twenty-seven, I thought it was thirty-seven, but it’s twenty-seven.
Four twenty-seven.
Yeah. Three medications. Okay. That’s all I have to say.
Okay. Well, thank you for taking the time to speak with me.
Oh, my pleasure.